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I've seen those standard PA speakers used as voice evac, as there was one in a hotel room once!

nice.

wait you live in toronto??

3:50 you can use a magnet and put it right beside the red LED to set it off i belive.

Wow thats super cool! Thats awesome!

Same annunciator as the one on the 4005

This is a longer comment but I wanted to talk about some differences between Canadian two-stage and American “equivalents”. In the United States, two-stage as used in Canada is not up to our codes. I personally think the way it is implemented in Canada is great and it would be a good tool to add to our box here in the states for many installs, but one of the biggest problems is that pull stations aren’t really installed that much anymore, so I don’t know exactly how it would work. I digress. We have positive alarm sequence (PAS) and pre-signal (not to be confused with pre-alarm). PAS tends to be used on smoke detectors more, but with AHJ approval, it can be used on any device with the exception of water flow. In addition, certain detectors or pull stations can be set to PAS while others aren’t. When a PAS device is activated, an alarm condition will show up on the panel and you have 15 (or in some cases 30) seconds to acknowledge the alarm. If you fail to acknowledge the alarm before the countdown ends, the fire department is notified and the buildings safety measures and emergency plan is activated. If you do acknowledge the alarm in time, there is a 3 minute timeframe to reset the system or else the system will go into a full alarm state. I personally prefer that this setup is only used on smoke detectors because they cause the most nuisance alarms and can be very very easily pinpointed to the location of a fire (or non fire) versus pull stations which require human interaction and a wider search of the area to verify the validity of an alarm. During any stage of a PAS alarm activation, a second device activation will trigger a full alarm. Pre-Signal (PS) is a system that can only be used if a building has trained staff on site 24/7, however it can be used in most occupancies. The key difference between PAS and PS is that human intervention at the control panel is critical for a PS system because there is no mix-matching PS and general alarm devices like in a PAS system. This means that when an alarm goes off, it is most-likely that another alarm will not trigger evacuation. In PS systems, the general alarm is delayed by at least 3 minutes from when the alarm is sounded, however that is very customizable based on the install. In voice systems, this could be used as a standby message, but most times there is no notification initially. The fire department is instantly notified, and there must be a pull station or other appropriate means to sound the general alarm from the panel. Please note that I am being very vague about PS because of how customizable it is. I will note two different installations I’ve seen of it. One is in a high school. When an alarm is activated, the fire department would be notified and all of the buildings fire safety measures (fire doors, fire department dispatch, A/C shutdown, ect.) were activated except for notification. If the school resolved the problem, they could simply reset the system and await the fire department to let them know what happened. The building could be immediately evacuated with a pull station next to the panel. The second install I would like to talk about is at a large arena. When the system is activated, non audible/visual safety measures were activated by zone in the facility and the fire department is notified. The alarms would in fact never sound unless it was done at the panel. This made it crucial for trained staff to know how to use the built in paging system and how to trigger the A/V’s. In conclusion, I think that if we added a two-stage system to our fire code, it would help because of how different PAS and PS are. In most cases, I don’t like PS at all, but I think PAS is easy to implement and can’t really go wrong.

if i wanted a panel to get programmed would I have to have them come over and program it or is there a way a person could just send me a file?

4007es takes the head end! I have one of these systems myself. Nice units when you get to know them. People hate on them, but the main issue I see is that they have unusual properties that make working with them different from most other simplex units which leads to a learning curve. A big example of this is firmware upgrades.

Awesome video. I always like seeing the basement systems. very cool system change.

Very nice!

Great system test video. Can’t wait to see future tests with this panel.

Nice little demo! That honker thing sounds great

Good news - The 2901-9818 isn't just the Canadian version of the -9833. It draws more current!

Cool video!

How about mircom FX-2000?

Thats very cool!

The conference center that my college once owned had such a system in place, with that same annunciator slapped onto an old Simplex 4305/4308 annunciator (the building was initially built in 1978 with some kind of Simplex system). The alarm signals were Space Age VA4 horn/strobes (with many of them mounted on the ceiling), they had System Sensor 2451TH smoke detectors (and a newer 2151T detector near the panel) and Simplex 4251-20 single-action pulls (the only devices from the original Simplex system still in use).

This is awesome!

Do you have ES Programmer

is it possible to see the simplex dual action pull station in canada

6:32 you gave me an idea...

its "ms 4 zero 8"

it has 2001 style march time sounds more like an autocall panel like shorter blasts

This gives me enough reasons love integrities

I highly doubt the pull Station needs to be replaced

Give the "noob" a couple of years and he'll have like a thousand Spectralert Advances and BG-12s that he won't wire up.

Hi

Holy mixed system lol

Wow Very cool! Are you replacing the entire system or just the Panel?

Beautiful Lumacell rs in the back of the bell

Another reason why they have ceiling mount speakers on the walls is because when they replaced the system when it had the original speakers, it had some slight extra cutted out drywall due to the way of how these speakers got installed which meant they used the ceiling mount ones to cover up the holes and which meant during the replacement they used the System Sensor SPCWL L-Series speakers. On a normal cutted out wall for a double gang backbox, it doesn't matter if a wall or ceiling speaker goes here as it performs the same exact way which the only exception is that ceiling mount speakers are secondary speakers that are larger than wall ones to cover up slightly extra cutted out drywall that would make the speakers look ugly because there's a hole in the wall right where the wall mount speaker is. And it can't be with speaker strobes because of the differences in the direction of the strobe light output direction except if it's from the SpectrAlert Advance series for a retrofit install then yes as you can switch the wall and ceiling mount models on an opposite place like a ceiling mount on the wall where's in a normal install it's the device that matches the type of mounting and only except if it's a remote horn or speaker just like in the video here because one with a strobe will look goofy.

Golden age simplex equipment setup here. Simplex was full steam ahead when all this was on the market.

Wow! That's Super cool!

Very cool man. I remember talking about this with you It's good to see it working.

i actually used one of these today. I wonder if your video was suggested to me because youtube was spying on my work conversation

That is so cool

Thats interesting seeing dot matrix machine on a fire alarm system

how do i put the system in test mode so it doesnt go off during renovations

Edward and mircom are nice

I wonder if the 4 inch speakers had the backbox before they got replaced in the stairwell

Sounds similar to mircom one

I need the password to go into the program on my panel

Awesome! Very cool to see voice evac.

Notifier KMS-10-24VDC/P sounds like the Edwards 439D-10AWC

That is so cool and we have the same fire alarm panel

Cool

Very cool to see 2-stage voice system. Nice video!

Very cool!

Why have you haven’t made a RUclips video for a while